New York State Bar Association Offers HISA Webinar Apr. 18

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The link for an equine-related Committee on Animals and the Law of the New York State Bar Association [has gone] live. It's a webinar on the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act (HISA): Its Impact on Equine Welfare, NYS Racing and Regulation, and Federal Administrative and Constitutional Law.

The webinar will be held Thursday, April 18 from 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. EDT. Attorneys who attend are eligible for up to three NYS MCLE credit hours. These credit hours are valid in almost every U.S. jurisdiction. Non-attorneys are welcome to attend.

The Committee on Animals and the Law (COAL) of the New York State Bar Association has organized this excellent event. Speakers will explain the legal structure created by HISA, HISA's impact and future; the legal ramifications of HISA on state, federal and private actors; and HISA's effect on equine welfare. We expect to wrap up with a lively and informative discussion panel among the speakers. We hope attendees will leave the webinar with a greater understanding of HISA and the state of the State of New York's regulated racing industry.

What our roster of speakers will have to say promises real value to legal practitioners and others involved in racing. If you have any particular questions or comments you think would make good fodder for the discussion panel, please don't hesitate to let Fiona Farrell know in advance at ffarrell@nycap.rr.com.

Our program faculty includes:

  • Lucinda Finley, University of Buffalo Law School
  • Joi Garner, General Counsel, SVP, and Secretary, New York Racing Association
  • Lisa Lazarus, CEO, Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority
  • Robert Williams, Executive Director, New York State Gaming Commission

To learn more about the program and to register, click here.

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Q and A With Lucinda Finley: A Lot Rests on Pending Fifth Circuit HISA Ruling

Earlier this month, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans heard oral arguments in a pivotal case—led by the National Horsemen's Benevolent and Protective Association (NHBPA)—seeking to overturn the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act (HISA) on grounds that it is constitutionally flawed.

In short, the Fifth Circuit's pending ruling could have profound implications for the short and long-term future of the federal law.

Oral arguments in the Fifth Circuit follow a key decision earlier this year out of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, finding the HISA statute indeed to be constitutional.

There is also a separate HISA-related case in the Eighth Circuit led by Bill Walmsley, Jon Moss, and the Horsemen's Benevolent and Protective Association (HBPA) for Iowa.

To get a handle on the various implications from the pending Fifth Circuit ruling, the TDN once again spoke with constitutional law expert Lucinda Finley, Frank Raichle Professor of Trial and Appellate Advocacy, and director of Appellate Advocacy at the University of Buffalo Law School.

The following has been edited for brevity and clarity.

TDN: When is the Fifth Circuit likely to issue its ruling?

Lucinda Finley: It could be within a month. It could be up to several months. It's very hard to tell how long a court will take in ruling on an appeal. They don't have any deadline.

TDN: Can we glean any kind of meaning on how they might rule from the length of time it takes to deliver that ruling?

LF: In general in federal appellate cases, the length of time that it takes for a ruling to come out can vary by several factors. One is how many other opinions still to be issued are backlogged in the court. Another is whether there's disagreement within the panel of three judges. Is there going to be a dissent? Is there going to be a concurring opinion?

So, if there's going to be more than one unanimous majority opinion, it'll obviously take longer for the final result to be issued because multiple judges will be writing opinions and perhaps circulating their drafts amongst each other, trying to persuade someone to modify their position.

TDN: How do you think the Fifth Circuit will rule?

LF: I can't predict. I have no basis to make a prediction.

TDN: Are you able to look at any other of their rulings as a potential barometer?

LF: No. I mean, it's really going to come down to whether they agree with the Sixth Circuit that the changes congress made to give the [Federal Trade Commission] more rulemaking authority are sufficient to fix the constitutional problem that the Fifth Circuit previously identified.

TDN: What are the implications from the pending Fifth Circuit ruling for HISA?

LF: If the Fifth Circuit agrees with the Sixth Circuit and finds that the current amended version of HISA is constitutional, that makes it much less likely that the U.S. Supreme Court would take up the cases because there would not be a conflicting view between different U.S. circuit courts of appeals about the constitutionality of the federal statute.

Conversely, if the Fifth Circuit disagrees with the Sixth Circuit and finds that the amendments that Congress made are not sufficient to make the law constitutional, that makes it close to a hundred percent likely that the U.S. Supreme Court would take up the cases.

Having two different circuit courts in the country saying the same federal statute is and is not constitutional is not a situation that's tenable. The U.S. Supreme Court would have to resolve that one.

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TDN: Just yesterday, the former president of the National HBPA said that no matter how the Fifth Circuit rules, the nation's highest court will eventually have to be called upon to settle the matter. Sounds like it's not that simple.

LF: Let me back up.

You currently have the Sixth Circuit already having ruled that the HISA statute is constitutional. You have the Fifth Circuit having heard oral arguments. A decision will come within the next few months.

You also have the Eighth Circuit considering the constitutional question, the briefs of the challengers already having been filed and the briefs of the FTC and the defenders of HISA yet to be filed. So, you have three circuit courts being asked to consider the constitutionality of HISA.

If all three of them wind up agreeing that HISA as currently written is constitutional, I don't think it's likely that the Supreme Court would hear the case.

[But] if the circuit courts disagree about the constitutionality piece, as I said, I think that makes it close to a hundred percent likely that the Supreme Court would take the case.

TDN: What are the implications (either way) from the pending Fifth Circuit ruling for those jurisdictions currently operating outside of HISA's remit, like Louisiana and West Virginia?

LF: If the Fifth Circuit rules the same way that the Sixth Circuit did and finds that HISA as amended is now constitutional, that would mean that the lower court injunctions against the enforcement of HISA in certain states would most likely be dissolved and would go away.

If the Fifth Circuit rules that even the amendments to HISA are not sufficient to make it constitutional, that would mean the injunctions against enforcing HISA in certain states would remain in effect until the Supreme Court resolves the differences of opinions between the federal circuit courts.

TDN: Does this case hold other implications at the Supreme Court level for critics of the federal administrative state?

LF: In the current term of the Supreme Court, they've just taken several cases that raise challenges to decades old, well-established administrative law precedents.

There seems to be a lot of interest in the current U.S. Supreme Court of turning administrative law on its head and reining in the authority of the federal regulatory agencies in various ways. The non-delegation doctrines that are at the heart of the challenges to HISA have not yet been the areas of administrative law that the Supreme Court seems focused on upending of changing.

But they might—if they completely change the areas of administrative law they've agreed to consider this year—maybe next year say, 'okay, we got rid of the Chevron deference doctrine, we got rid of certain other things. Now let's go after the non-delegation doctrine.'

It's a long way of saying the current U.S. Supreme Court is showing great interest in rethinking decades of rules about the authority of federal regulatory agencies.

TDN: Could this focus of the Supreme Court have any bearing on the way in which the Fifth Circuit rules?

LF: I don't think judges rule in a particular way on a case strategically in order just to get it to go to Supreme Court. I think judges rule on cases based on what they think the law is.

The Fifth Circuit is the most dominated right now of all the circuits by judges who were appointed by the Trump administration with the imprimatur of the Federalist Society, which has long had as its goal to get judges on the appellate federal courts that want to rein in the regulatory state.

The Fifth Circuit is known as the most conservative circuit in terms of what it might mean these days to be a conservative, in the legal sense. Being skeptical of giving broad discretionary authority to make rules to agencies as opposed to congress is one of the aim of being a legal conservative.

As I've told you in previous conversations, there were clearly lawyers strategizing by the opponents of HISA about what states and therefore what federal circuits they filed their challenges in.

They filed them in parts of the country that go to circuit courts that they considered tilting conservative. They didn't file them in areas of the country like New York or Chicago where they think the circuit courts are not considered to be tilted conservative.

TDN: What are the implications from the pending Fifth Circuit ruling for the other HISA-related suits? 

LF: Well, neither the Sixth Circuit ruling nor the Fifth Circuit ruling would be binding precedent on the eighth circuit. They're just persuasive views.

If you're the eighth circuit and you've got two other circuits who agree on the constitutionality of the statute, then reading the tea leaves, that makes it more likely the eighth circuit would also agree.

If you're the eighth circuit and you've got two other federal circuits that have completely different views, you might just kind of sit on the case for a while and wait to see if the Supreme Court takes up the matter and let the Supreme Court decide on its constitutionality.

TDN: Which gets back to your earlier point—a lot rests on this Fifth Circuit ruling.

LF: Yes. Whether the Fifth Circuit will rule the same as the Sixth or differently from the Sixth is basically everything. What happens next is going to rest completely on that.

TDN: Do you see the pending Fifth Circuit ruling having any bearing on the relative success or failure of the proposed federal legislation to repeal HISA and replace it with a voluntary interstate compact to govern the nation's Thoroughbred, Standardbred, and Quarter Horse racing?

LF: That's an interesting question. Interesting, because right now we basically don't have a functioning congress. Who knows how long it will be before we have a functioning congress.

Right now, no federal legislation is going anywhere. But I guess my personal view is that there won't be any strong majority push in congress to come up with something different unless the U.S. Supreme Court says HISA is unconstitutional.

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Lucinda Finley Q&A: HISA Critics Throwing `Everything” Until Something “Sticks’

After a series of false starts, the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act's (HISA) signature anti-doping and medication control (ADMC) program is now set to go into effect on May 22.

Continuing to play out against this latest development are a handful of lawsuits seeking to derail the law—a complex legal landscape evolving at seemingly vertigo-inducing speed.

In a ruling delivered last week, judge James Hendrix of the Lubbock Division of the Northern District of Texas found the version of the act amended by Congress at the end of last year to pass constitutional muster. A separate lawsuit filed in the Amarillo Division of the Northern District of Texas had been rolled into this case.

The plaintiffs immediately announced they would appeal the decision, which means the case will go back up to the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

In a case led by the states of Oklahoma, West Virginia and Louisiana, the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals earlier this year also found the version of HISA Congress amended at the end of 2022 to be constitutional. The plaintiffs subsequently petitioned for a rare en banc rehearing of the case. If granted, the hearing would go before all judges within that Court of Appeals.

Another case led by the State of Louisiana is currently before the Lafayette Division of the Western District of Louisiana.

Two new HISA-related lawsuits have also recently been filed, one in the Eighth Circuit led by Bill Walmsley, Jon Moss, and the Horsemen's Benevolent and Protective Association (HBPA) for Iowa.

The other is led by officers of the Thoroughbred Racing Association of Oklahoma, in a suit filed in the Tenth Circuit.

To discuss what these various lawsuits mean for HISA's future both in the near and long term, TDN spoke once again with constitutional and appellate law expert Lucinda Finley, Frank Raichle Professor of Trial and Appellate Advocacy, and director of Appellate Advocacy at the University of Buffalo Law School.

The following has been edited for brevity and for clarity from two separate conversations.

TDN: Judge James Hendrix recently issued a ruling finding the version of HISA amended by Congress at the end of last year to be constitutional. What is the significance of this ruling?

LF: First, it's important to point out that this is the same district judge [Hendrix] who had ruled the previous version of the statute to be constitutional. The Fifth Circuit disagreed, so he was revisiting that in light of the Fifth Circuit decision. He came to the same conclusion as the Sixth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals that Congress fixed the constitutional problem.

So, the significance of the ruling is that we now have the only two federal courts to thus far consider the constitutionality of the HISA statute after Congress amended it have come to the same conclusion. We've had the three judges of the Sixth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals and judge Hendrix unanimously agree that Congress cured the constitutional problem when it amended the HISA statute last December. So that's very significant.

Ultimately, it will be up to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit to see if they agree.

TDN: You're referring to the plaintiff's immediate response to appeal.

 LF: Yes. Of course, whenever any side loses a case in court, they always say they're going to appeal. But the plaintiffs have already won once before the Fifth Circuit and are, I think, strategically correct in trying again.

Let's see what the Fifth Circuit thinks about whether the congressional changes fix the problem the Fifth Circuit previously identified.

TDN: Do you think they've got strong legal legs in this appeal?

 LF: No, I do not. I think the Sixth Circuit decision is very thorough and well-reasoned.

The Fifth Circuit had found the primary problem to be that the pre-amendment version of the HISA statute did not give the [Federal Trade Commission] FTC the ability to reject or modify proposed rules by the authority. But the newly amended statute clearly says that the FTC can completely abrogate or modify any proposed rule by the authority.

Congress tailored their amendment directly to what the Fifth Circuit said was the problem. So, I think it's unlikely that the Fifth Circuit would say, 'well, we really meant more than what we've said before.'

TDN: Does this ruling have any bearing on the separate case before the Lafayette Division of the Western District of Louisiana, pertaining to the states of Louisiana and West Virginia currently operating outside of HISA's jurisdiction?

LF: Not officially. The opinion of the Texas federal district court is not binding on the Louisiana District Court. But it is an influential precedent, just like the Sixth Circuit decision is an influential president.

Ultimately, the appeal of this new ruling by Judge Hendrix from the Lubbock Division of the Texas Federal District Court to the Fifth Circuit—the Fifth Circuit's decision whether the amended version of HISA is constitutional or not—will be the ruling that affects the injunction against enforcing HISA in West Virginia and Louisiana that the federal district court in Louisiana issued. I know it gets very complicated. 'This court said this. This court said that.'

TDN: Just to be clear, when the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals rules on the appeal from the Lubbock case, that decision will essentially guide whether the current injunction preventing HISA from being enforced in West Virginia and in Louisiana stays or goes?

LF: Yes. I think legally it would. There would be a couple of little steps officially. They would remand that case and the district court would have decide how the Fifth Circuit ruling affected the previous ruling.

What I'm saying is that what the Fifth Circuit decides about whether the congressional amendments to the HISA statute last December—whether they cured the constitutional problem or not—will be the really significant legal decision here for Texas, West Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Arizona and the states that were involved in the case that Judge Hendrix just ruled on, as well as the case before the Louisiana Federal District Court.

TDN: Texas is still taking the stance that state law bars them from allowing federal jurisdiction of races run in their state. Where does this decision leave Texas?

LF: It leaves them with the same choice they're currently facing. Texas can continue to insist that it will not adopt federal rules and as a consequence lose the right to interstate simulcast wagering, or it can choose to adopt the federal rules and rejoin interstate wagering, which is financially essential to the continuation of horse racing in Texas.

You would surmise that perhaps the Texas Racing Commission's insistence that it couldn't agree to follow HISA's regulations was being taken in a strategic hope that federal courts would ultimately find it unconstitutional, and it could continue to be the sole regulator for racing in Texas. But every court ruling now after the Congressional amendments to HISA is cutting the legs out from under that strategy.

It is looking increasingly less likely that a federal court will find the amended version of HISA to be unconstitutional. So, if the Fifth Circuit agrees that the Congressional amendments cured the constitutional problem, the Texas Racing Commission essentially will be faced with an existential choice.

Do they want to fall on their sword, continue to allow the state authority to determine the rules for racing in Texas without any federal uniform rules? If they fall on that sword, they are basically dooming the economic future of racing in Texas as we've seen with the dramatic decreases in betting handle [because of] Texas tracks being barred from participating in interstate simulcasting wagering.

TDN: More generally, the industry is gearing up for the ADMC program to once again go into effect on May 22. From here on in and given the latest lawsuits filed, how realistic do you think it is that HISA's flagship drug and medication enforcement program could be halted through legal intervention?

LF: We clearly have a strategy by the groups that are opposed to HISA to file as many different court cases as they can in different federal courts around the U.S. in different appellate circuits in the hope that one of them might result in a judge issuing a nationwide injunction to halt HISA and its rules.

In a way, it's 'throw everything you can at a lot of different walls in the hope that something will stick somewhere.'

What would potentially put the medication program in jeopardy is if in one of these newly filed or still pending federal cases, a judge issued a nationwide injunction against HISA which would [apply] not just in the state where the case was filed, and not just for the parties that brought the case, but throughout the entire country. It would say that HISA is unconstitutional and cannot enforce its rules.

If that were to happen, then the legal response of the federal government would be to seek a stay of that injunction first in the circuit court, and then potentially in the U.S. Supreme Court, while the overall litigation and appeals processes are played out.

It's similar to what just happened with Judge [Matthew] Kacsmaryk and his ruling against the abortion pill, mifepristone. He said the FDA approval was ineffective everywhere. When the Fifth Circuit only partially stayed that ruling, the government went immediately to the U.S. Supreme Court to say, 'please put a stay or suspension on the ruling while the appellate process goes into play.' And the Supreme Court did that. A similar strategy would play out with HISA.

It's a very long way of coming around to your question. I think that the longer the medication program goes on in effect, the more it takes hold and the more states and tracks are operating under it, the stronger the government's argument would be to put a stay or suspension on the effectiveness of any court ruling against HISA by saying, 'it is upsetting a regulatory status quo that people are already relying on.'

TDN: What can you tell us about the two new lawsuits filed in the Eighth and Tenth Circuits? 

LF: They essentially raise the same arguments that have been raised in other cases.

They argue that even with the changes to the statute, it still delegates too much rulemaking authority to the private authority—an argument that the Sixth Circuit rejected. They argue that it violates the appointment process for federal officials. But that one is kind of subsumed by the delegation of authority argument. They argue that the enforcement mechanism [is unconstitutional] because people who are not federal judges get to adjudicate disputes. But that's an argument that basically challenges the entire regulatory system.

TDN: What do you make of the plaintiff's request for an “en banc” hearing in the Sixth Circuit case led by the states of Oklahoma, West Virginia and Louisiana?

LF: I assume they assessed the likelihood of the Supreme Court taking the case and said, 'no, there really isn't a conflict with the Fifth Circuit. So why not try to get the entire Sixth Circuit to reconsider the case? And if they do, fine.' You've got a lot more judges to convince. If they don't, then your clock for appealing to the Supreme Court runs afresh. But I don't think it's very likely that the Sixth Circuit will agree to take the case 'en banc.'

TDN: What are the chances one of these cases will still make it to the Supreme Court?

LF: I think the chances are entirely determined by whether the Fifth Circuit disagrees with the Sixth Circuit.

If the Fifth Circuit overruled Judge Hendrix's ruling and says, 'no, we don't think Congress cured the problem,' then you would have a direct conflict with the Sixth Circuit about the constitutional validity of a federal statute. In that situation, I think the Supreme Court would have to take the case.

But if the Fifth Circuit affirms Judge Hendrix's new ruling, you'll have no conflict in the circuit, and I do not think the Supreme Court would intervene and take the case.

TDN: If the Fifth Circuit affirms the constitutionality of HISA, you're saying it's significantly less likely that the Eighth and Tenth Circuits will find it unconstitutional?

 LF: That's correct. I guess what I'm saying is that if the Fifth Circuit affirms Judge Hendrix's new ruling and holds that the congressional amendment fixed the constitutional problem, the legal game is very close to being over for the opponents of HISA.

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Lucinda Finley Q&A: “Long Litigation Road Ahead” For HISA

The Congressional amendment to the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act (HISA) at the end of last year–affording the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) more rule-making governance–has not yielded a pause on the legal maneuverings surrounding the law.

Already this year, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals denied a motion by the HISA Authority for that court to vacate its recent opinion that HISA is unconstitutional, and instead sent two different cases back down to the district court level.

In response, the Texas Racing Commission–which has so far barred the federal law from being enforced in its jurisdiction–said the action meant Texas tracks could once again beam their simulcasting signals out-of-state. Sam Houston, which is currently running, has so far refrained from taking that course due to the “” swirling around the matter.

At the end of January, the FTC published HISA's Anti-Doping and Medication Control (ADMC) rules on the Federal Register, initiating a 14-day public comment period. Should the FTC approve them, HISA has set a program implementation date of March 27.

All the while, two other HISA-related lawsuits are working their way through the courts–one currently before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, and the other in the Texas Northern District Court, Amarillo Division.

To get a handle on where all this leaves HISA, the TDN once again spoke with constitutional law expert Lucinda Finley, Frank Raichle Professor of Trial and Appellate Advocacy, and director of Appellate Advocacy at the University of Buffalo Law School.

The following is heavily edited from a longer interview.

TDN: Can you give an overview of where all the latest legal actions that have come down since we last spoke leave HISA?

LF: No court has yet ruled on whether the newly amended HISA–which gives the FTC greater authority to accept, reject, or modify the HISA Authority's proposed rules–is constitutional or not. But the congressional amendments to HISA do put it on stronger legal footing on the single issue that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit addressed, the private delegation doctrine, or in non-legal parlance, whether HISA granted too much authority to make rules to a private body, instead of the FTC.

The congressional amendments make it clear that the FTC has at least as much regulatory authority as the Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] does when it considers whether to adopt rules proposed by a private body. The SEC rule making structure has repeatedly been ruled constitutional by many federal courts.

But despite how the congressional amendment responds to the Fifth Circuit concerns about the previous version of the HISA statute, it is not surprising to me that the Fifth Circuit panel refused to consider whether to vacate their opinion or to rehear the case. It is standard appellate procedure for a federal appellate court, after they've initially ruled, to send things back to the district court. The district court will be the first one to determine whether the amendments that Congress recently made are sufficient to satisfy the concerns that the Fifth Circuit had.

The other thing that the Fifth Circuit did is to lift a stay or a suspension of an injunction that another district court had issued against enforcing HISA in Louisiana and West Virginia. So, HISA cannot legally enforce its rules in those two states. But what HISA can do is go back to that district court and argue that the recent congressional amendments have satisfied the constitutional concerns raised by the Fifth Circuit–therefore that the amendments make HISA constitutional–so they could ask that district court to remove its injunction against enforcing HISA in West Virginia and Louisiana.

How I interpret the recent Fifth Circuit decision not to vacate its November ruling and not to rehear its November decision is to simply say: Take your arguments back to the district courts, let the district courts consider those arguments in light of our November ruling and in light of the amended statute.

TDN: Do they go back to the same district court?

LF: No, they go back to the district courts in which each case originated. One of them goes back to a district judge who initially found HISA, even before Congress amended it, to be constitutional. The other case, the West Virginia and Louisiana case, goes back to a district judge who expressed grave concerns about HISA's constitutionality prior to amendment.

TDN: In the district courts, are the plaintiffs likely to challenge other provisions of HISA?

LF: Several of the cases challenging HISA do raise other constitutional challenges in their original complaints, and they can argue all those other challenges back in the district court. If they didn't raise them [before], they could possibly ask to amend their complaints to raise other constitutional challenges.

In cases against HISA filed around the country, some of them challenge the way members of the private Authority are appointed, arguing that because they are functioning like federal government officials, they should be appointed through the process the constitution and federal statutes lay out for appointing and removing federal officials.

Now, that argument could be affected by Congress's recent amendments.

Before HISA was amended, plaintiffs' main argument was it delegated too much governmental authority to the private Authority, thus the private Authority was really acting like a governmental agency. So, if the courts think the new congressional amendments now leave the FTC with greater final say over what the HISA rules are, a judge may be less likely to accept the challenges to how members of the private Authority and its board are appointed. Again, to compare the HISA structure to the SEC, the way that members of the private body–known as FINRA–that proposes rules to the SEC are appointed has been upheld.

There are also cases bringing constitutional challenges to the private Authority's investigatory and enforcement powers. They claim that giving so much authority for investigating and punishing violations to a non-governmental body violates due process of law. No court has yet decided that argument.

In my opinion, that constitutional argument is weaker because under the HISA statute, there is a process for appealing any sanction based on an investigation of a rule violation–it can go up through a well-established administrative appeal process with federal administrative law judges, who are the ones hearing the appeal.  That means that no punishment is final until it is ruled on by a federal official.

TDN: What you're saying is the Congressional amendment potentially has influence on the overall constitutionality of HISA beyond that one provision it was designed to fix…

LF: Yes. Congress's amendments to HISA responded only to what the Fifth Circuit had found to be the problems. But those problems were kind of an umbrella. The fifth Circuit issue was: Did the statute give too much regulatory authority to the private Authority? Congress's amendment has addressed that and clarified that the FTC is now a lot more than a rubber stamp.

And so, if a judge now decides that that congressional amendment makes the HISA structure much closer to the SEC structure–which has been upheld as constitutional, including the way in which people are appointed to the private entity, FINRA, and in its investigatory authority–then it is more likely that the other challenges to HISA would not be accepted.

Although, let me clarify. There is a difference with the SEC's process for investigating alleged violations of its rules. The SEC has its own government employees doing the investigations and the initial determinations. Under the HISA statute, the initial investigations and determinations are not done by FTC government employees–they're done by employees of the private Authority. That is still a potential challenge which has been raised in some of the lawsuits around the country.

TDN: Do you think this action might have any influence on the FTC's pending decision on whether or not to approve HISA's ADMC rules?

LF: I don't think it will. I mean, as soon as Congress amended the statute, the FTC said, 'now we're going to go ahead with the rulemaking process on the medication rules.' That is a strong signal.

Right now, we have a situation where the groups that are opposed to HISA have been throwing every legal argument they can think of at the statute, hoping that something sticks. Well, something did stick with the Fifth Circuit and Congress responded to that. So now, all the groups that are opposed to HISA are going to try to argue back in the district courts that the congressional fix isn't enough, and to then throw other arguments against HISA.

There's a long litigation road ahead for the statute and the Authority. I think I'm going to start calling the HISA statute the 'full employment for the lawyers' statute. The real people benefiting are the lawyers getting all these cases.

TDN: Given the swirling legal uncertainty, if the FTC approves the ADMC rules and they go into effect, will the Authority be leaving itself open to strong legal challenges when the first medication violation adjudications come rolling in?

LF: Well, let me put it this way. Trainers that have been sanctioned under the old system of each state determining its rules and sanctions have shown a propensity for hiring as many lawyers as they can to appeal and try to get their penalties reduced or vacated. Why would that change just because the penalty is for a HISA rule as opposed to a state commission rule?

TDN: And running up against the federal government is a little different than running up against a state commission?

LF: Yes, and that may be one of the things that the various HBPAs are worried about.

TDN: The Texas Racing Commission stated that the recent Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals action means that HISA has no jurisdictional authority in the state, and therefore, they can beam their simulcasting signal out-of-state once more. The Sam Houston lawyers are more circumspect. Who's right?

LF: The Fifth Circuit did not issue an injunction against the statute and rules. It was just what's called a declaratory judgment. So, there is not currently any binding legal order that applies in Texas that prohibits HISA from acting.  The HISA statute applies to any entity that simulcasts into other states, so if any Texas track does start sending its signal to other states, it will be subject to HISA unless a court issues an injunction prohibiting HISA from acting.

But should HISA try to enforce any regulations in Texas, whoever was the target of any enforcement could sue to get an injunction saying, 'you can't enforce your rules if this circuit said you're unconstitutional.' So, in a roundabout way, the Texas Racing Commission is correct but–and this is a big but–only for the superseded version of HISA before the congressional amendments. If the courts rule that the congressional amendments fix the problem found by the Fifth Circuit then they would not enjoin HISA from acting in Texas. So I think the circumspection of the lawyers for Sam Houston is warranted.

Eventually, where is this all going in Texas or any other objecting state? It's becoming a game of whack-a-mole. The Fifth Circuit says this part of HISA is unconstitutional. Congress fixes it. Now, some other court says, 'another part of HISA is unconstitutional.' Well, Congress could then fix that. All of the challenges to HISA are delaying implementation, but ultimately, I do not think they will not stop the movement towards uniform national rules for the multi-state business of horse racing.

TDN: There's another case in the Northern District of Texas, Amarillo. Do you know what's happening with the case-and do you still think this could prove a major headache for HISA this year?

LF: There's been no further decisions in that court. That judge has to follow the Fifth Circuit decision on the challenge to the previous version of HISA about the allocation of responsibility between the FTC and the private Authority. Before that Judge, HISA and the FTC will argue that the newly amended statute satisfies the Fifth Circuit concerns, and that judge could allow the newly amended rules to go into effect. But as I said in our previous conversation, that case in Amarillo does have a lot of other challenges to HISA, such as to the way members of the Authority are appointed and the investigatory process and powers given to HISA.

If you file a case in the Amarillo branch of the Federal District Court for that part of Texas, you get Judge [Matthew] Kacsmaryk. He has quickly gained a reputation based on his rulings for being very hostile to broad federal regulation, and he has all kinds of hot button issues being brought to him, asking him to undo often decades of federal regulatory schemes. So, that's why I said it's the case that could become a major headache for HISA, because that case would get appealed to the Fifth Circuit which has already shown scepticism about the extent to which Congress delegates federal power to a private entity.

TDN: Where does this leave the pending ruling in the Sixth Circuit?

LF: The Sixth Circuit, because they haven't ruled yet, has more options before them based on the congressional amendment. The Sixth Circuit asked the lawyers to submit briefs addressing how the congressional amendment affected the appeal. The Sixth Circuit could say, 'well, the HISA statute has changed in significant ways. We want to let the district court start afresh and assess the parties' arguments based on the new statute.'

There really doesn't seem to be a lot of point for the Sixth Circuit to issue an opinion about whether they think a now superseded version of the statute is constitutional. So, I think it is likely that the Sixth Circuit will decide the appeal before them is moot and send it back to the district court, where the HISA and FTC lawyers will try to persuade the district court judge that the congressional amendments do solve all the constitutional concerns that the Fifth Circuit raised.

TDN: Do you think HISA is right to forge on with implementation of the full program (pending FTC approval), or do you think it would behoove them to put the breaks on while all the legal shenanigans play out?

LF: This is asking for my personal opinion–I'm trying to provide an impartial legal view. But I think that yes, the HISA Authority is pursuing the right course. Remember, several states have voluntarily agreed to follow their rules. So, for those states who've said, 'we participate in this, we want to follow your rules,' these rules need to be developed.

This is maybe getting a little too deep into the weeds, but the judge in Amarillo is famous for issuing nationwide injunctions. If the judge in Amarillo were to do that, then HISA would be legally prohibited from implementing its rules anywhere. But in the meantime, there isn't a national injunction, so, why wouldn't they continue knowing that there are a substantial number of states–including some of the most prestigious racetracks and racing circuits in the country–that want to follow their uniform rules?

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