Weekend Lineup Presented By Form2Win: Fillies & Mares In The Spotlight

On Saturday, female stars match up at Santa Anita Park as Ce Ce and As Time Goes By square off in the 1 1/16-mile Grade 2 Santa Maria, and at Churchill Downs, Frank's Rockette and Sconsin are set to battle under the lights in the Grade 3 Winning Colors at 6 furlongs.

TVG will be broadcasting racing throughout the weekend from Santa Anita and Gulfstream Park, and more. Fans can tune in on TVG, TVG2 and the Watch TVG app, which is available on Amazon Fire, Roku and connected Apple TV devices.

“America's Day at the Races” will be live on Saturday, May 22 on FS2 from 1-3 p.m., and from 4-11:30 p.m., featuring the live programming at Belmont Park and Churchill Downs. On Sunday, May 23, “America's Day at the Races” will air on FS2 from 1-3 p.m., and from 4-5:30 p.m. ET.

Saturday, May 22

4:35 p.m. ― $200,000 Grade 2 Santa Maria Stakes at Santa Anita Park on TVG

Michael Tabor, Mrs. John Magnier and Derek Smith's 4-year-old filly As Time Goes By, a 9 ¼- length winner last time out in the Grade 2 Santa Margarita Stakes, and Bo Hirsch's two-time Grade 1-winning 5-year-old mare Ce Ce, are set for a showdown in Saturday's $200,000 Grade 2 Santa Maria at Santa Anita Park at 1 1/16 miles. Regally bred, As Time Goes By, the 2-5 morning line favorite, is a dark bay daughter of Triple Crown winner American Pharoah out of Take Charge Lady, by Dehere. Trained by Bob Baffert and ridden by Mike Smith, As Time Goes went wire to wire in the 1 1/8-mile Santa Margarita on April 24. Prior to that score, she finished second to last year's 3-year-old filly champion Swiss Skydiver in the Grade 1 Beholder Mile at Santa Anita. Ce Ce is trained by Michael McCarthy, fresh off saddling Rombauer to victory in last Saturday's Grade 1 Preakness Stakes. In 2020, Ce Ce, a chestnut daughter of Elusive Quality won the Grade 1 Apple Blossom Handicap at Oaklawn and the Beholder Mile. She tuned up for Saturday's race by winning a 7-furlong allowance optional claiming race at Santa Anita on April 17. Victor Espinoza has the mount from post 3.

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5:12 p.m. ― $100,000 Seek Again Stakes at Belmont Park on FS2

Eight older horses (with two also-eligibles) have been entered for Belmont's Seek Again at 1 mile on turf, with Juddmonte's 6-year-old Flavius, who has run at seven U.S. tracks since arriving from Ireland in 2019, the 2-1 morning line favorite. Trained by Chad Brown, and breaking from post 10 under Javier Castellano, Flavius was beaten a length while finishing fourth in the Grade 1 Frank E. Kilroe Mile at Santa Anita on March 6. Brown also saddles the 5-year-old Delaware (GB), who won Aqueduct's listed 1-mile Danger's Hour on April 10. West Point Thoroughbreds, William T. Freeman, William Sandbrook and Cheryl Manning's 4-year-old Decorated Invader returns to Belmont where last year the son of Declaration of War won the Grade 2 Pennine Ridge and was second in the Grade 2 Hill Prince for trainer Christophe Clement. Decorated Invader also won the Grade 2 National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame Stakes at Saratoga after the Pennine Ridge. In his first start of 2021, Decorated Invader finished third in the Danger's Hour. Joel Rosario rides Decorated Invader from post seven. The Thomas Bush-trained 4-year-old Get Smokin won last year's Hill Prince, and has a victory this year in the Grade 3 Tampa Bay Stakes. Get Smokin will be ridden by Junior Alvarado from post five.

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7:19 p.m. ― $100,000 Grade 3 Honeymoon Stakes at Santa Anita Park on TVG

CYBT, Michael Dubb, Saul Gevertz, Michael Nentwig and Ray Pagano's Going Global (IRE), unbeaten in three starts in 2021 since arriving from Ireland, and Kaleem Shah's Madone, a four-time winner, lead seven 3-year-old fillies in the Grade 3 Honeymoon Stakes going 1 1/8 miles on turf. Going Global, trained by Phil D'Amato and ridden from post six by Flavien Prat, has won in succession the Grade 3 6-furlong Sweet Life, the listed 1-mile China Doll and the Grade 3 1 1/8-mile Providencia Stakes, all at Santa Anita. Madone, trained by Simon Callaghan and ridden by Juan Hernandez from post seven, won her first three starts last year, which included the listed Del Mar Juvenile Fillies Turf, and the Surfer Girl at Santa Anita. In November, she finished eighth in the Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf at Keeneland, unable to sustain a drive after the turn for home. Her 2021 debut was in the Grade 3 Senorita Stakes on May 1. After stumbling at the start, the bay daughter of Vancouver (AUS) stayed just off the rail in the upper stretch and then surged between horses to win by a length. Pizzazz, owned by Perry Bass II and Ramona Bass, won the California Oaks at Golden Gate Fields on April 24 for trainer Richard Mandella.

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7:57 p.m. ― $150,000 Grade 3 Winning Colors at Churchill Downs on FS2

Frank Fletcher Racing's Frank's Rockette and Lloyd Madison Farms' Sconsin are the likely favorites headlining six older fillies and mares in the Grade 3 Winning Colors, going 6 furlongs at Churchill Downs. Trained by Bill Mott, Frank's Rockette, a seven-time winner, has been off the board just once in 13 starts. That one start was against males in last year's Grade 1 Breeders' Cup Sprint, where she finished 11th. Prior to the Breeders' Cup Sprint, Frank's Rockette won the Grade 3 Victory Ride, the Grade 2 Prioress and the Grade 2 Gallant Bloom Handicap. She made two listed starts at Oaklawn Park this year, winning the American Beauty and finishing second by three-quarters of a length in the 6-furlong Carousel on April 10. A 4-year-old daughter of Into Mischief, Frank's Rockette will be ridden by Florent Geroux from post two. Sconsin, trained by Greg Foley, was second by 1 ½ lengths to champion female sprinter Gamine in the Grade 2 Derby City Distaff on May 1 at Churchill. Last September, Sconsin, a 4-year-old by Include, won the Grade 2 Eight Belles presented by TwinSpires.com, also at Churchill. Sconsin will break from post four under Tyler Gaffalione.

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10:11 p.m. ― $110,000 Keertana Stakes at Churchill Downs on FS2

Maram's Delta's Kingdom seeks her first win of 2021 as the 5-2 morning line favorite in the $110,000 Keertana at Churchill Downs, one of 10 older fillies and mares entered for the 1 1/2-mile test on turf. Trained by Bill Mott, Delta's Kingdom, a 5-year-old by Animal Kingdom, finished second in the Grade 3 Bewitch at Keeneland on April 23. Ridden by Florent Geroux from post eight, Delta's Kingdom also finished second in the Grade 2 La Prevoyante at Gulfstream in January. Silverton Hill's Pass the Plate, third in the Bewitch, finished second in Churchill's Grade 3 Mrs. Revere last November for trainer Paul McGee. Rafael Bejarano rides Pass the Plate from post five. Bal Mar Equine's 5-year-old gray/roan Dalika (GER), won the Albert M. Stall Memorial on Feb. 13 at the Fair Grounds, a race named after the father of her trainer, Al Stall Jr. Miguel Mena has the mount from post 10.

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Sconsin Wheels Back To Face Short Field In Winning Colors

Lloyd Madison Farms' Grade 2 winner Sconsin along with Frank Fletcher Racing Operations' seven-time winner Frank's Rockette top a compact field of six filly and mare sprinters that entered Saturday's $150,000 Winning Colors (Grade 3) at Churchill Downs.

The Winning Colors, run at six furlongs, is the featured event Saturday night for Downs After Dark – Country Saloon presented by Budweiser. The evening features 11 races, live music, line dancers and more. First post is 6 p.m. (all times Eastern) and the featured Winning Colors goes as Race 5 at 7:57 p.m. Also on tap Saturday night is the $110,000 Keertana Overnight Stakes, run at 1 ½ miles on the Matt Winn Turf Course for fillies and mares 3-year-olds and up. The Keertana is slated as Race 9 at 10:11 p.m.

Sconsin exits a gallant effort behind top sprinter Gamine in the $500,000 Derby City Distaff (G1) on Kentucky Derby Day. The 4-year-old homebred daughter of Include was victorious in last year's $300,000 Eight Belles (G2) for trainer Greg Foley. Through 11 starts, she's recorded three wins, three seconds and one third with stout purse earnings of $453,512.

Sconsin drew post No. 4 in the Winning Colors and will be ridden by Tyler Gaffalione.

Chief among Sconsin's main rivals in the Winning Colors is the speedy Frank's Rockette. The multiple graded stakes-winning daughter of Into Mischief started her 4-year-old season with a victory in the $150,000 American Beauty at Oaklawn and finished second to Edgeway in the $250,000 Carousel. Frank's Rockette has been nearly flawless in her 13-race career with seven wins and five runner-up efforts. Her only off-the-board finish came in last year's $2 million Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1) against colts and geldings.

Florent Geroux will ride the Bill Mott trainee from post 2.

The complete field for the Winning Colors from the rail out (with jockey and trainer): Rising Seas (Corey Lanerie, Ben Colebrook); Frank's Rockette (Geroux, Mott); Tipsy Gal (Colby Hernandez, Dallas Stewart); Sconsin (Gaffalione, Foley); Bayerness (Brian Hernandez Jr., Cherie DeVaux); and Headland (Martin Garcia, Steve Hobby).

Wagering is available online at www.TwinSpires.com, the official ADW of Churchill Downs Incorporated.

The National Weather Service forecast for Saturday evening calls for mostly sunny skies with highs in the upper 80s.

General admission to Downs After Dark is $12 and it includes a reserved seat on the first floor and official program. No one under the age of 18 will be admitted to the track unless they are accompanied by a parent or responsible adult. Limited premium dining packages are available starting at $69 per person. Outdoor-third floor box seats are on sale for $27 per person. Reserved seating can be purchased online at www.ChurchillDowns.com/Tickets.

Bal Mar Equine LLC's multiple stakes winner Dalika leads a field of 10 fillies and mares that were entered in Saturday night's $110,000 Keertana Overnight Stakes, run at 1 ½ miles on the Matt Winn Turf Course.

The Keertana is carded as Race 9 with a post time of 10:11 p.m.

Trained by Al Stall Jr., Dalika has six victories in her 20-start résumé with solid purse earnings of $404,005. In her last victory, the 5-year-old mare won the $100,000 Al Stall Memorial at Fair Grounds, named in memory of Stall Jr.'s father. Other stakes wins on her ledger are the $75,000 Blushing K.D. and $184,000 One Dreamer.

Miguel Mena has the call from post No. 10.

The complete field for the Keertana from the rail out (with jockey and trainer): Naomi Broadway (BRZ) (Joe Talamo, Paolo Lobo); First Course (Drayden Van Dyke, Vicki Oliver); Ya Beauty (GB) (Julien Leparoux, Eric Reed); Temple City Terror (Adam Beschizza, Brendan Walsh); Pass the Plate (Rafael Bejarano, Paul McGee); Tweety Show (Julie Burke, Ron Isbell Jr.); Sursum Corda (Corey Lanerie, Ian Wilkes); Delta's Kingdom (Florent Geroux, Bill Mott); Cambeliza (James Graham, Arnaud Delacour); and Dalika (GER) (Mena, Stall).

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Edgeway Earns Initial Stakes Victory In Oaklawn’s Carousel

Prominent from the outset, Hronis Racing LLC's Edgeway got the jump on even-money favorite Frank's Rockette and cruised to victory in Saturday's $250,000 Carousel Stakes at Oaklawn in Hot Springs, Ark., giving the daughter of Competitive Edge her first triumph in a black type race.

Trained by John Sadler and ridden by Joel Rosario, Edgeway ran the six furlongs on a fast main track in 1:10.13 and paid $4.60 as the second wagering choice in the field of six fillies and mare, aged 4 and up.

Frank's Rockette closed to within three-quarters of a length of Edgeway at the wire to be second, with Casual another 1 1/4 lengths back third and Wildwood's Beauty fourth.

Edgeway, third to Kimari in just her second career start in the Purple Martin Stakes at Oaklawn last year, was coming off a Feb. 7 allowance win at Santa Anita, her first start since a runner-up performance in the Grade 3 Dogwood Stakes at Churchill Downs last June. She trained up to the Carousel at Santa Anita.

Mucho Amor jumped out to an early lead, with Edgeway to her outside, but that pair was quickly joined by Wildwood's Beauty who rushed up along the inside to put her nose in front. Those three raced as a team, with Edgeway three wide around the turn and Frank's Rockette track her while a couple of lengths further back. Early fractions were :22.54 for the opening quarter mile and :46.12 for the half.

Edgeway took command in the stretch, passing the furlong marker in :58.08 and sailed on to victory, her fourth in six starts.

Produced from Magical Solution, by Stormin Fever, Edgeway is a 4-year-old bred in Kentucky by Pope McLean, Valerie and David Blethen. She sold for $275,000 at the OBS April Sale of 2-year-olds in training in 2019, where she was consigned by Mayberry Farm.

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Candy Man Putting the Rocket Into Little Rock

It's a philosophy that sustains a stable of Rockets–but it's not rocket science. Anything but, according to Frank Fletcher. “First, you really want to work hard,” he says. “Number two, you got to have a stroke of luck. And, number three, when you get lucky and start being successful, you need to surround yourself with people a lot smarter than you are.”

Let's deal with those in reverse order. Because Fletcher says that the horse we want to discuss is all about the third rule; about the excellence of his help.

Fletcher has owned racehorses through three decades-almost all registered as a Rocket (or Rockette, for the fillies) of some kind, even if the branding can't always extend to their powers of acceleration. Rocket Time (Tiz Wonderful), C Z Rocket (City Zip), There Goes Rocket (Valid Expectations) and so on. So he has been in the game long enough not to be getting carried away by the 10 GI Kentucky Derby starting points earned by Candy Man Rocket (Candy Ride {Arg}) in the GIII Sam F. Davis S. last Saturday.

As a proud son of Little Rock, however, Fletcher is daring to wonder whether this colt, whose fourth dam is the matriarch Courtly Dee (Never Bend), might at least have a shot at the GI Arkansas Derby. Up to now he has only ever had one good enough to try, a colt who chased home Curlin (Smart Strike) in the GII Rebel S. but got no closer when following him to the big one.

Candy Man Rocket wins the Sam Davis | SV Photography

That horse was trained by the man who got Fletcher started in racing, the late Oaklawn icon Bob Holthus. They had dinner together down in Shreveport in 1989. “I don't have enough money to buy a horse!” protested Fletcher. Oh yes you do, Frank: Holthus found him a $5,500 claimer, booked Jerry Bailey to wear the new silks and, bingo, a winner's circle photo at the first attempt. That was it: Fletcher was hooked.

There have since been over 100 variations on the Rocket theme, actually a tribute to three cherished German Shepherds who have consecutively carried that name during the same span of years. The numbers have never got out of hand-the stable, managed by ex-jockey Kathleen Moore Howard, currently comprises eight horses-but their orbit seems to be expanding. Last year Frank's Rockette (Into Mischief) ran up a graded-stakes treble and now here's Candy Man Rocket exploding onto the sophomore scene.

And that's all about rule three. “You just have to surround yourself with, really, the best people,” Fletcher reiterates. “I have three great trainers, and Donato Lanni is more than just a buyer. He's a wonderful friend, who's really tried to educate me.”

Lanni has been prospecting sales for Fletcher for around 15 years. Last summer, at the postponed Spring 2-Year-Old Sale, the agent called from OBS. There was a Candy Ride colt right at the start of the auction. He'd worked a quarter in 21 flat but it was a nervous market, in the circumstances, and Lanni thought people would “sit on their hands” early. In fact, five of the first six hips were scratched and the colt-who had failed to meet his reserve both as a weanling and yearling, at $190,000 and $70,000 respectively-was next into the ring from Six K's Training & Sales.

“They dropped the hammer at $250,000,” Fletcher says. “We thought he might go to $500,000. I think we got lucky, bidding an early number. Donato likes to see the breeze and all the normal things but I think more and more important to him these days is their disposition and demeanor, how they act in the stall and when you get up close to them. He really gets inside there. He looked this horse over and over, and thought he was very calm.”

So a new Rocket entered the Fletcher arsenal. After prep with Eddie Woods, as usual, Candy Man Rocket was sent up to Bill Mott's Kentucky division. Before his debut at Churchill in November, Fletcher received a call from Mott's assistant there, Kenny McCarthy. The weather had been terrible, and on the works he had managed the colt would probably run out of gas after half a mile. But he needed to learn about the gate, about the hustle and bustle of racing, and the experience would do him good.

Sure enough, Candy Man Rocket broke alertly and raced handily until fading away in the stretch. Shipped down to Payson Park, last month he lined up for a sprint maiden at Gulfstream and was a revelation, winning by nine lengths. “At the three-eighths pole, he looked like he'd been shot out a rocket,” marvels Fletcher. “He just galloped that race.”

Even so, it was something else again to stretch out last weekend from six furlongs for a race that might put Candy Man Rocket on the Classic trail. Fletcher asked Mott his thinking.

Candy Man Rocket | Ryan Thompson

“Frank,” Mott replied. “He trains well. He looks like he's just full of himself. We have to decide whether we have a sprinter here, or a two-turn horse. The only way to know is to put him in there and see. Because if he is a two-turn horse, now's the time to find out.”

So Saturday was only his second meaningful race and, sitting home in Arkansas, his owner didn't know what to expect.

“We just had no idea,” he says. “I mean, we knew he'd come out of the gate good and told Junior [Alvarado] not to let him get out in the front. During the warm-up, Junior had to have quite a fight with him. He said the horse just was ready to take off right then.     After the race, people called and said, 'I'm afraid that horse bled.' But it was just a small cut on his tongue, from when Junior was trying to keep him from getting away from him. He did a great job, and in the race he shot out of there like a cannon again.”

Yet Candy Man Rocket also saw the race out well. Mott, who also saddled runner-up Nova Rags (Union Rags), is expecting to run one of the pair back in the GII Langholm South Tampa Bay Derby on March 6, but sooner or later this horse will have to try another small stretch.

“We believe he can go any reasonable distance now,” Fletcher says. “We're not scared anymore, because he had plenty of horse at the end. He can feel the horse coming up on him. I don't know what the trainer wants to do, but ultimately I want to work my way up to the Arkansas Derby because that's where I live. But I'm not doing any dreaming, not going crazy at all. I've been asked all kinds of questions but I just want to give him his best opportunity, and we'll see where that takes us.”

That temperate approach will, of course, be matched by the trainer-a man, says Fletcher approvingly, who takes his time with horses and people alike. “Bill Mott is very calm, very deliberate, and thinks things through before he makes a decision,” he says.  “And he has a lot of patience with people like myself that don't know much. Some trainers are too busy to talk. He likes to give horses time between races, and it's just so nice working with him because he won't chase a big deal it if he doesn't think it's time for the horse.”

Now, rule two: that lucky break. Fletcher has built up a portfolio of successful businesses. These days he's known principally for his car dealerships but he's also a realtor, hotelier, restauranteur. There was a time, however, when he was trying to make his way like so many young Americans before and since. His wife Judy was teaching school; Fletcher, after serving in the army, was a bank clerk working evenings in a pizza joint. Then he got a job selling paint for DuPont, and in 1966 made a sales call to a store in Sherwood. It was the second shop opened by a guy named Sam Walton.

Fletcher walked in and said, “I want to sell you 300 gallons of DuPont paint.”

“How much is that?”

“$1,500.”

Walton shook his head.

“Well, that's the smallest amount I can sell you.”

Something about the young man must have appealed to Walton, as he invited him to a lunch at the Harrison Lions Club. While they listened to the speakers, they scribbled on a notepad pushed across the table. Fletcher went off to the payphone, called Atlanta: this guy in Sherwood didn't have the money, could he sell him a smaller batch? No, but he could offer him 120-day payment. More back and forth with the notepad. Eventually Walton wrote: “Who's going to put it on the shelf?” Fletcher replied: “That will be me.”

When Walton was up to around his 20th store, he called Fletcher and asked him to quit DuPont and buy merchandise for Walmart on commission.

“So that was when luck came in,” muses Fletcher. “How lucky can you be, as someone adopted and brought up, not in California or New York, but on a farm in a small state? And who do you meet when you start off your career? I had no idea Sam Walton was going to become the richest man in America.”

Eventually Walmart grew so big that Fletcher's role became redundant. That day was a nasty shock, but he had shown enough over the eight years for Walton to encourage him: Fletcher should open a workshop, and if he came up with a product as good as he expected it would be, he could count on Walmart as a client.

Fletcher rented a garage and started making lamps. By the time he sold that business, in 2010, he was manufacturing in Taiwan and China and turning over $100 million every year. As for the auto sales, those began in 1989 from a mobile home with an awning. There are now dealerships in a dozen brands around Arkansas and Missouri.

But all this goes back to rule one: a work ethic nourished by a disciplined but loving rural upbringing in the years after the war.

“Back then, I think they just came to the hospital and looked through the glass and picked out somebody!” says Fletcher. “I got adopted by some great parents when I was a baby [in 1943]. I enjoyed that life on the farm. Early awake, and early to bed, but a good place to be brought up. I had that all drilled into me and I'm thankful for it.

“Because the sad thing is, I have a lot of friends that just hate work. They go to work because they have to make a living. You're blessed if you can do something that makes your heart beat fast. I don't have any hobbies: don't play golf, don't fish. I work pretty hard, but I do it because I love it. I enjoy getting out of bed, getting my pants on and going to my office-six days a week, at least. I mean, I'm sitting here right now looking at 100-something trade-ins from this weekend. What are we going to do with this car? Wholesale it? Rebuild it? I make a decision on every one that comes in.”

The single hobby he does permit himself, then, represents something of a release valve. And the racetrack, he says with a laugh, is “a good way to get rid of any money that you make.”

He rode horses round the farm as a youngster, and actually in rodeos as a beanpole adolescent. (He was also an all-state basketball player in Junior High.) But his love of animals starts with the German Shepherds.

“I love all dogs, but these are very protective and just wonderful companions,” he says. “When the first Rocket died at age 11, he had cancer, I thought I would never want another one because it hurt so bad. But then about two weeks later, the veterinarian that had tried to keep him alive brought another German Shepherd. I said, 'I don't want that dog. Take him away.' He said, 'Keep him overnight and see.' Next day, of course, I loved him. And then he lived 11 years, and now I'm on Rocket number three, who's seven.”

Frank's Rockette | Sarah Andrew photo

So friends always know that a horse with Rocket in his name is likely part of his stable, and there will be no mistaking the hometown hope if Candy Man Rocket can make the Arkansas Derby. The same card, meanwhile, is already on the agenda for Frank's Rockette, whom Mott is targeting at the Carousel S. She's actually homebred, out of graded stakes winner Rocket Twentyone (Indian Charlie). Frank's Rockette disappointed in the GI Breeders' Cup Sprint, but she has already resumed her progress with another stakes success at Fletcher's local track a few days ago.

“I made a mistake when I put her in with the colts at the Breeders' Cup,” Fletcher says. “That was the only race in her life that she never tried. She got intimidated, I guess. It was a bad call, but there were some terrific sprinters in the filly division and she had run the times. But I learned a lesson. Otherwise she's never finished less than second in her whole career.”

One way or another, then, Derby Day on their home track in April promises much for Fletcher, his family and friends-and all talk of the Twin Spires can be deferred until then.

“We're still a very small operation,” Fletcher stresses. “We're nowhere near the people I'm competing with. We've been lucky a few times, and we have Frank's Rockette. But we haven't had a colt in a long time. So it's very, very exciting. We're not used to this.”

But go back to his opening premise. Hard work: check. Good luck: check. “And then I figured out right quick that I wasn't very smart,” Fletcher says. “So I hired a great crew around me. Every day, I lean on people who are smarter than I am. And so yes, if you can do that, the little guy can compete.” We've been lucky a few times, and we have Frank's Rockette. But we haven't had a colt in a long time. So it's very, very exciting. We're not used to this.”

But go back to his opening premise. Hard work: check. Good luck: check. “And then I figured out right quick that I wasn't very smart,” Fletcher says. “So I hired a great crew around me. Every day, I lean on people who are smarter than I am. And so yes, if you can do that, the little guy can compete.”

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